Cyberspace & Bushido...
I'm wondering if it's still worth buying...
Published on November 11, 2007 By cavalierex In Strategy
Hi, everyone.

I remember when Civilization IV came out in 2005, it was hailed as one of the best strategy games of all times.

I didn't buy it, or even play it, back then. But recently, I saw the release of an expansion pack called "Beyond the Sword," which got great reviews and looks very cool.

So, I was wondering what you guys think of Civilization IV now, a little over 2 years after its release. Is it still worth getting? Specifically,

* Do you still play Civilization IV?
* What did you think of the "Warlords" expansion pack?
* What do you think of the "Beyond the Sword" expansion pack?
* Is a new version of Civilization about to be released that I should just wait for?
* What other strategy games do you think are better than Civilization?

Please keep in mind that I'm a novice at these computer strategy games. I do like board games like Stratego and Risk, and in the (way distant) past, I enjoyed games like Caesar II and SimCity.

Thanks a bunch.
~ Alessandro (cavalierex)
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on Nov 12, 2007
Get fall from heaven mod, its brillient.
on Nov 16, 2007
Yes, I always play it.

It's THE TBS. Why? Because aside from being solid as standard, it's the most moddable game out there, which lets the community create nearly every possible feature ever wanted in a TBS game.

I won't be surprised if it pops up a mod which replaces my sci-fi fix that GC provides.


And yes, Fall From Heaven is a brilliant example of how much more you can get from a TBS game.
on Nov 16, 2007
Get fall from heaven mod, its brillient.


seconded
on Nov 20, 2007
MoO 1 > Civ
on Nov 20, 2007
MoO2 > Civ.

That said, MoO2 > Anything, really.

But yes, I occasionally play Civ4 with its two expansions. The AI is sadly nothing compared to GC2, but like MoO2, it's just a blast to play with a friend, cooperative against a bunch of hostile AIs.

I still remember whole weekends, spend playing MoO2 without a break, trying for a faster win, one of us with a race dedicated to research, the other one dedicated to warfare. It was mostly a matter of how fast we could establish communication, but still... those were the times.
on Nov 20, 2007
I still play Civ 3. But yes, I do.

Warlords- if you like scenarios, get it. A lot of people say a lot of people don't, but personally, I enjoy scenarios better.

Beyond the Sword- GET. IT. It's really really good and I don't think I'd ever play a game of Civ4 without it.
on Nov 20, 2007
* Do you still play Civilization IV?

Yes, absolutely. I'll probably still be playing it until they come out with Civ V.

* What did you think of the "Warlords" expansion pack?

Loved it. An absolute must-have if you're to buy this series.

* What do you think of the "Beyond the Sword" expansion pack?

Still getting used to it, but the extra civs it offers are what really make the expansion. Darius and Pericles are totally uber. The whole spy and corporation things seem a tad under-utilized, but they're still making improvements via patches and what not. Overall though, I'm very happy with BtS.

* Is a new version of Civilization about to be released that I should just wait for?

Not to anyone's knowledge. They're probably working on another expansion pack for Civ IV, but if so, it hasn't been announced yet. The only "new version of Civ" about to come out is the console version, which I have no intention of buying. I didn't get a 360 to play Civ, I got it to play games like BioShock. I save Civ for the PC.

* What other strategy games do you think are better than Civilization?

None. Absolutely none. Civ IV is, bar none, the single best 4X game I have ever played in my entire life, and I've been playing them since "Empire" back in the old BBS days. They're my specialty game genre, and Civ IV is more than I ever dreamt of.

As far as space 4X games go, Master of Orion II has so far been the best, but that takes into account the fact that I only just now got my ser# for GalCiv2, and now that I've got the updates, I'm sure GalCiv2 is going to give MoO2 a serious run for its money. If you get a chance to check out MoO2 though, it's totally worth it, and you can probably get it very cheap these days. Do NOT get MoO3. It sucks. It's like they took all the work of a 4X, multiplied it by 1000, and sucked out all the fun, color, and flavor of the game, but MoO2 was awesome and remains the benchmark against which all 4X space games are held to.
on Nov 20, 2007
what is moo?
on Nov 20, 2007
what is moo?


Master Of Orion
on Dec 02, 2007
Beyond the sword is a much more important exp pack than warlords.
on Dec 02, 2007

Beyond the sword is a much more important exp pack than warlords.


BtS includes all of the Warlords stuff except the scenarios, so...
on Dec 02, 2007
I played one game of Civ IV and I was done. It simply moves TOO SLOWLY. Galciv2 is not as bad in that way.
on Dec 02, 2007
I have to question this MoO 2 thing. Does it still compare to today's market? And it the only reason MoO 3 isn't good because it is too realistic and deep? I mean, I'll never regret my decision to buy the first Gal Civ over MoO 3 and its funny I made the decision because i went against my terms about graphics and i still don't remember why. I had never heard anything about either of them, so it was just an impulse. I just want to know the reasons as to why 2 and 3 are hailed so differently.
on Dec 02, 2007
I have to question this MoO 2 thing. Does it still compare to today's market? And it the only reason MoO 3 isn't good because it is too realistic and deep? I mean, I'll never regret my decision to buy the first Gal Civ over MoO 3 and its funny I made the decision because i went against my terms about graphics and i still don't remember why. I had never heard anything about either of them, so it was just an impulse. I just want to know the reasons as to why 2 and 3 are hailed so differently.
on Dec 04, 2007
Im my opinion MOO 3 was a good game. Yea it had a lot of issues, and moved sooooo slowly, but it really did give the feeling of an active living galaxy.

Civ4 beyond the sword is fantastic. It is just so full of so much cool stuff. I actually dont think I have played just a normal random game of it. Im always playing the various scenarios/mods that were released with the game. It has this awesome mod that is essentially a world map with all the civs on it, but they appear at thier respective period. For example, America does not become playable until 1776. When that happens you have the choice to switch your civ and start playing as the Americans. It is like that for all the civs though. I remeber playing one game as the Romans and struglleing to hold the empire together as France and Spain and Germany burst onto the scene, not to mention the historical barbarian invasions.
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